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class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EAmbrosius\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 6 Tage 1 Stunde\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Peter Ortmanns\u003C\/strong\u003E \u003Cem\u003E\u0022Wenn man die Schrift ernst nimmt, muss man ihre Vielstimmigkeit ernst nehmen. Wenn man die Tradition ernst nimmt, muss man ihre Geschichtlichkeit ernst nehmen. Und wenn man die Wahrheit ernst nimmt, muss man die M\u00f6glichkeit zulassen, dass sie nicht in einer einzigen Stimme spricht.\u0022\u003C\/em\u003E\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EWohl wahr!\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ESie verkennen dabei aber, dass es sich bei diesem Medium um keine theologische Fachzeitschift, sondern um einem Blog handelt, bei dem eine gewisse Holzschnittartigkeit und Polemik durchaus legitime Stilmittel sind.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EDas berechtigt Sie allerdings nicht zur Abf\u00e4lligkeit \u00fcber Pfarrer Rodheudts Gottedienstbesucher, denen Sie pauschal elementare Kenntnisse des Kirchenlateins bzw. die Handhabung doppelsprachiger B\u00fccher in Abrede stellen und die Sie zu minderbemittelten \u0022H\u00f6rigen\u0022 zu degradieren versuchen. Mal abgesehen davon, dass die Liturgie eine eigene aussagekr\u00e4ftige Sprache ist, was Ihnen noch nicht aufgefallen zu sein scheint. [So richtig klar wurde mir das selbst erst, nachdem mich eine aus der Kirche ausgetretene Performance-K\u00fcnstlerin darauf aufmerksam gemacht hatte!]\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EIch hatte pers\u00f6nlich wie gottesdienstlich noch nie das Vergn\u00fcgen mit Pfarrer Rodheudt. Auch bin ich im Ordo Novus sozialisiert und will das nicht grunds\u00e4tzlich \u00e4ndern. Allerdings hatte ich vor einem Jahr aus liturgischer Neugier in St. Afra in Berlin (Institut St. Philipp Neri) \u0026nbsp;eine \u2013 zweist\u00fcndige \u2013 Messe im Tridentinischen Ritus besucht. Was soll ich sagen: Es war der \u0022kurzweiligste\u0022 Gottesdienst seit langem \u2013 mit der \u0022diversesten\u0022 Gottesdienstgemeinde nach Alter, Ethnie und mutma\u00dflich auch sozialer Herkunft. 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