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class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-value\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment-count-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon icon-corrigenda\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E1\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003ENepomuk\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 3 Monate 4 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E 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Aber wie den Deutschen einf\u00e4llt, das ganze zu benennen, ist auch gar nicht so wichtig. Die Lateiner und alle Romanen sagen im wesentlichen \u0022Geburtstag\u0022 (Nativitas, Natalis und Abwandlungen). Die Engl\u00e4nder sagen \u0022Christus-Messe\u0022. Auch in Deutschland versteht \u00fcbrigens jeder, was gemeint ist, wenn man vom \u0022Christtag\u0022 spricht, das Wort ist nur nicht ganz so \u00fcblich und hat einen poetischeren Touch bekommen.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003E\u00c4hnlich ja Ostern: In den eigentlich relevanten Sprachen verwendet man das Wort, das das j\u00fcdische Vorg\u00e4ngerfest bezeichnet, n\u00e4mlich Pascha \u2013 aber deswegen haben die Deutschen und Engl\u00e4nder, die im wesentlichen (h\u00f6chst treffend) \u0022Morgend\u00e4mmerung\u0022 dazu sagen, das hei\u00dft \u0022Ostern\u0022 n\u00e4mlich, und gewisse Slaven, die \u0022Hochtag\u0022, \u0022Hochnacht\u0022 (die also gewisserma\u00dfen zu Ostern Weihnachten sagen) sagen, deswegen nicht Unrecht. Ja selbst wenn einer es \u2013 wie die Ungarn \u2013 sinngem\u00e4\u00df \u0022Fastenbrechen\u0022 nennt, ist auch das nicht falsch ...\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EDas ist alles gar nicht so wichtig. 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class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E3\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EDinah\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 3 Monate 4 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Nepomuk\u003C\/strong\u003E Danke, dass Sie auf Johannes den T\u00e4ufer verweisen. Wie h\u00e4lt es denn die (post)moderne Amtskirche unter dem jetzigen Papst Leo XIV mit dem Spruch des Johannes, den Sie oben zitieren? Will das Diesseitige sich tats\u00e4chlich dem Jenseitigen unterordnen? Wie sieht das bei Ihren \u0026nbsp;Br\u00fcdern in den deutschsprachigen Landen aus? Daraus folgt \u0026nbsp;eine weitere Frage: was treibt \u0026nbsp;M\u00e4nner, die sich als Anh\u00e4nger und Verk\u00fcnder der Aufkl\u00e4rung sehen, dazu, sich zu \u0026nbsp;katholischen Priestern und Bisch\u00f6fen weihen zu lassen? 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class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment-count-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon icon-corrigenda\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E1\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EBenjamin M\u00fcller\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 3 Monate 4 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Braunm\u00fcller\u003C\/strong\u003E Das Erste, das Jesus zu Beginn seines \u00f6ffentlichen Wirkens sagte, war (genau wie Johannes der T\u00e4ufer): \u201eTut Bu\u00dfe\u201c also \u201eKehrt um\u201c. Dies schlie\u00dft den Umgang mit Traditionen ein. Ich f\u00fcr meinen Teil kann nur sagen: \u201eIch und mein Haus, wir wollen dem Herrn dienen.\u201c Gehorsam fragt nicht danach, was Andere davon halten. Es geht um IHN. Daher ganz simpel: gibt es einen Auftrag des Herrn, seiner Geburt zu gedenken? Berichten uns die Apostel davon? Gibt es in irgendeiner Weise einen Hinweis in der Schrift? Wenn nicht, lass ich lieber die Finger davon und konzentriere mich und mein Tun darauf, WAS er gesagt hat. M\u00f6ge Gott uns durch sein Wort und seinen Heiligen Geist offenbaren, wie ER die Dinge sieht. Und Schritt f\u00fcr Schritt alles lassen, was nicht von ihm kommt. Auch das ist Bu\u00dfe und Umkehr.\u0026nbsp;\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-2 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-footer\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-replyto-comment\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Ca class=\u0022use-ajax js-use-ajax-comments js-ajax-comments-reply\u0022 href=\u0022\/ajax_comments\/reply\/node\/1351\/field_comments\/4957\u0022 hreflang=\u0022de\u0022\u003EAntworten\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-rate-widget-field\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022rate-widget thumbsup col-span-4 sm:col-span-6 md:col-span-12\u0022\u003E\u003Cform 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class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E1\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EGast\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 3 Monate 3 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Benjamin M\u00fcller\u003C\/strong\u003E Was nat\u00fcrlich Bl\u00f6dsinn ist. Weihnachten ist und war nie heidnisch und darf gern gefeiert werden. 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Wenn man die Geburt des Johannes und die mit Jesus berechnet au\u00dferdem das wenige nimmt was in der Bibel steht ist es sehr wahrscheinlich September als Jesus geboren wurde. Und wie auch im Artikel zu finden ist Zweifel ich sogar die G\u00f6ttlichkeit Jesu an. Ich komme immer wieder dazu dass die Trinit\u00e4t ebenso eine Ente der katholischen Kirche ist. Jesus hat empfangen um zu geben sich dem\u00fctig den kleinsten gewidmet und wurde daf\u00fcr am Ende erst von Gott selbst erh\u00f6ht. Er ist als Mittler eingesetzt. Wir sollten zum Vater beten und ihm im Namen Jesu im bitten. Ich bezeichne mich auch nicht als Christ im klassischen Sinn. Ich bin folgender des Jesus Christus. Er ist der Rebstock wir die Reben Gott ist der Boden auf dem der Rebstock steht. Durch ihn und seine Taten k\u00f6nnen wir \u00fcberhaupt vor Gott treten. Der Preis der S\u00fcnde musste bezahlt werden und das hat er selbstlos auf dich genommen. Deswegen hat Gott ihm macht gegeben. Die Bibel einmal so zu lesen um die Stellen zu finden wo Gott und Jesus 2 Wesen sind ist wirklich interessant. Wie \u0026nbsp;Stephanus schon damals sagte er sieht Jesus zur rechten Gottes. Dieses Bild gef\u00e4llt mir sehr. 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