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class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EBraunm\u00fcller\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 7 Monate 2 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Josef Bernhard\u003C\/strong\u003E Willkommen im 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class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment-count-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon icon-corrigenda\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E0\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EJosef Bernhard\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 7 Monate 2 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Braunm\u00fcller\u003C\/strong\u003E Es geht nicht darum, jemanden zu \u00fcberzeugen, es geht darum zu zeigen, welche logischen Konsequenzen aus den Anspr\u00fcchen der Kirche folgen. Wenn man dem nicht zustimmt, ist das halt keine katholische Position mehr. Und wenn die katholische Position stimmt, ist jede andere Position irrt\u00fcmlich. Das sind schlicht logische Schlussfolgerungen.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-2 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-footer\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-replyto-comment\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Ca class=\u0022use-ajax js-use-ajax-comments js-ajax-comments-reply\u0022 href=\u0022\/ajax_comments\/reply\/node\/1240\/field_comments\/4295\u0022 hreflang=\u0022de\u0022\u003EAntworten\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-rate-widget-field\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022rate-widget thumbsup col-span-4 sm:col-span-6 md:col-span-12\u0022\u003E\u003Cform 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class=\u0022views-field views-field-nothing view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-node-1240-field-comment-4295\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-4295\u0022\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n  \u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv data-uuid=\u00222c888d62-cdbf-4497-9091-8c5dffe7a453\u0022 class=\u0022view-comment views-row comment-reply\u0022 style=\u0022--thread: 0\u0022\u003E\n      \n\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-value\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment-count-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon icon-corrigenda\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E0\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EBraunm\u00fcller\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 7 Monate 2 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-body\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-body\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cp\u003E\u003Cstrong class=\u0022highlight-green\u0022\u003E@Josef Bernhard\u003C\/strong\u003E Nochmal: der Herr hat nicht aus einer katholischen Position argumentiert. Damit werden Sie und andere leben m\u00fcssen, und da hilft Ihnen auch Ihre Logik nichts. Das ist Realit\u00e4t, ob Sie es wollen oder nicht.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EJede Konfession, jede politische Partei argumentiert letztlich so, wie es gerade tun.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003ENochmal: Wir sind uns einig, dass Abtreibung ein auszumerzendes \u00dcbel sind. Aber ganz offensichtlich n\u00fctzt es nichts, Wahrheiten zu beschw\u00f6ren, die ein Gro\u00dfteil der Mitb\u00fcrger nicht akzeptiert. Sonst w\u00e4re das \u00dcbel geringer.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003Cp\u003EEs ist ein Unterschied, woran ich pers\u00f6nlich mein Leben binde, und dem, was man in der Gesellschaft erreichen kann. Popper hat Recht: gro\u00dfe Entw\u00fcrfe scheitern und tragen den Totalitarismus in sich; ein Weg zu besseren Zust\u00e4nden hei\u00dft halt einen kleinen Schritt nach dem anderen.\u003C\/p\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-2 view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-footer\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-replyto-comment\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Ca class=\u0022use-ajax js-use-ajax-comments js-ajax-comments-reply\u0022 href=\u0022\/ajax_comments\/reply\/node\/1240\/field_comments\/4297\u0022 hreflang=\u0022de\u0022\u003EAntworten\u003C\/a\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-comment-rate-widget-field\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan 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\u003C\/tr\u003E\n\u003C\/table\u003E\n\n\u003C\/form\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-nothing view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-node-1240-field-comment-4297\u0022\u003E\n \u003Cdiv class=\u0022js-ajax-comments-id-4297\u0022\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\n  \u003C\/div\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv data-uuid=\u0022e5210360-ee2e-414a-905d-d9b9adf260a7\u0022 class=\u0022view-comment views-row comment-reply\u0022 style=\u0022--thread: 0\u0022\u003E\n      \n\n\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset view-comment-row\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-value\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022comment-count-wrapper\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022icon icon-corrigenda\u0022\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022comment-count-value\u0022\u003E0\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E  \u003Cdiv  class=\u0022view-comment-wrapper-comment-top-infos\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-name\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003E@Josef Bernhard\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-created\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022field-content\u0022\u003EVor 7 Monate 2 Wochen\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E  \u003C\/div\u003E\n\u003C\/span\u003E\u003C\/div\u003E\u003Cdiv class=\u0022views-field views-field-fieldset-1 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Sie reden von dem, was politisch m\u00f6glich ist. Ich rede davon, was an und f\u00fcr sich die Position der Kirche ist und was logisch daraus folgt. Das hat erst mal mit nichts anderem zu tun als mit der Anerkennung einer logischen Konsequenz, dabei geht es erst mal gar nicht darum, was politisch-praktisch m\u00f6glich oder klug ist. 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